Why I No Longer Debate FOX News Trolls…
There are many reasons why I no longer debate Fox News trolls. Several years ago when Obama was running for his first time I was pretty sure the democrats had blown their chance at winning back the presidency when they nominated Obama. I liked him, he sounded like a man of good and honest character. I knew Republicans were going to hate him for a ton of made up reasons. And to be honest, I just thought there was no way America was going to elect a black man as president. I mean we are talking about the US of A here, a country that re-elected Bush knowing full well, he was a complete idiot. A country where millions in the deep south still praise the Confederate flag. However, to my pleasant surprise, he won the election.
In the time prior to the presidential election I was having daily debates with an old family friend. He had fallen victim to the FOX News cult of stupidity. He was sending me the most racist bullshit and when I called him on it, he said I was overreacting, it was a joke, it wasn’t racist. For months and months I wasted hours daily responding to his emails. He would bombard me with the most ridiculous half-truths and lies. I countered all of them with facts and links to those facts. He almost never would respond to what I said. Instead, he’d just send along another question with a link to another crazy conservative blog or FOX News site. I would again drop what I was doing and take the time to factually respond to him. When he did take the time to reply to the information I sent him, it was always the same. “You’re getting that from the lame-stream media!” It didn’t matter if it was an official government document or not. No source could be trusted according to him unless it was from FOX News or some conservative blog.
At one point he sent something from one of the blogs he follows. I read it and I was stunned at the lies and misleading information it provided. Information that had been taken completely out of context. The shit this blog was saying blew me away. I mean it was bat shit crazy, cult type thinking. I get to the bottom of the blog page and in the footer section, I see the problem. The blog is run by a nutbag Christian that is selling books talking about how man and dinosaur walked the earth together.
The back and forth emailing went on for months and I eventually and I jokingly called him a crack baby. He took it serious and I apologized to him but he refused to accept it as I understand it. And, in some ways, I’m glad he did. I had asked him repeatedly to stop emailing me his ridiculous propaganda. I was getting at least two or three emails a day with his crazy bullshit. Once he got butt-hurt the silence was amazing! It felt so good. His lack of bullshittery in my inbox was like breathing in fresh air.
Over the years since then, I have seen the economy strengthen, and an end to the war in Iraq and Afghanistan. My broke ass now has health insurance that has since saved my life. I have seen marriage equality become a reality and I have seen the capture and killing of Osama. And, through all these world changing positive things, I have watched the republican party do nothing but tell their party that it’s all been a bad thing. That the economy isn’t really any better. That the U.S. is worse off now than it was when Bush was in office. It’s insane.
The republican party is deluding it’s followers with lies and half-truths. It has become a party of severe paranoia and hate. The republican party has gotten its members convinced that everything is liberal conspiracy and sadly, these people are just too stupid to see it. And, the reason why? Because hate and fear, sell. When you convince people to only trust certain media sources because all the other have an agenda, you’ve got them. You have got to watch multiple sources of news to even begin to see other points of views and get a “fair and balanced” view of what’s happening in the world.
The republican party is deluding it’s party members with lies and half-truths.
For example, I have seen friends and others on social media talk about the rest of the world laughing at president Obama. I’ve flat out asked these people if they have friends in other countries. The response is always the same, “Nope.” And yet, they think this is the case because that’s what their news tells them to think. I work with people from all over the world. I have not met one of them that is laughing at Obama. Every single one of them agrees that Obama is doing a much better job than Bush had done.
I have spent hours and hours debating these kinds of conservative idiots on Facebook and you can’t win. You just can’t win an argument with these people because they refuse to listen. Their minds are made up. I have seen it over and over again. The delusion is always the same. They have become so stupid and reliant upon what their “news” sources are telling them that they no longer understand the difference between fact and opinion. When fox news throws out it’s right wing opinions under the guise of “News” they take it as fact. When you take the time to provide these people with facts, they refuse to believe it. There response is always, “I don’t believe your facts.” I always say, “They’re not ‘my facts’ and these aren’t my opinions They are simply the facts.” But, they don’t get that. It’s like they just have turned into mindless zombies and it’s really, really frustrating.
The family friend I mentioned earlier. He’s actually more of a friend to my parents. They know he’s a dumbass when it comes to politics. They just don’t like confrontation so they don’t say it. My father isn’t really into politics at all, but is very much into science and math. He has been debating with this friend on climate change. My dad who has read several books on the subject from varying points of views has concluded that climate change is real based on the available evidence that he has seen. My dad, when it comes to science and math is one of the smartest people I know. Even my dad has asked this friend to stop emailing him on the subject of climate change.
The reason my dad gave up on trying to explain global warming to him is because he refuses to listen. This family friend is doing the same thing to my dad that he did to me years ago. He’s spamming my dad with crap all day long asking him to explain this or that. My dad has spent hours trying to explain to him the science behind it all. He won’t listen, he ignores every single one of my dad’s responses.
What finally made my dad give up on trying to explain it to him was when this friend sent a link to an article that was saying global warming is a lie. My dad once again, went to the site or friend linked to him to, read the article and then responded with the facts, links to the facts and so on. Later that day the friend sent back another email with something else just as stupid as his last email. My dad asked him two questions. First, “Did you actually read the article that you sent for me to read?” and “Did you read my response and the links that I sent you in response?” Our friends response was, “No.” That was it for my dad.
This is exactly why I have stopped trying to talk to these types of idiots. These are people that have already made up their minds. They are simply too stupid to understand the difference between an opinion and a fact. And, you just can’t argue with or debate people that refuse to even listen to anything that doesn’t agree with the opinions they have already formed.
The problem is that the Republican party learned that you can cherry pick the facts and weave your own version of them to the public. And, once you have their trust, the rest is easy. I am not saying the democrats aren’t guilty of doing the same at times. What I am saying is that right now, the democrats haven’t taken up residency in crazy town, sure some democrats and liberals have moved there but not the hole party. Their overall message is one of equality, peace and truth. The Republican party has stopped in crazy town and taken up residency there. They party has been overrun with these Tea Party idiots. It didn’t used to be that way, I know, I used to be a republican. Not any more. I realized that their overall message was one of fear and hate they wrap up in a cute little bow and sell it to the public as patriotism.
Why I Gave Up On The Republican Party…
I was a republican for most of my adult life. It took a little over two years into Bush Jr.’s presidency for me to leave the party. It was a difficult road for me because I had always agreed with the core republican philosophies of smaller government and a big military. I still believe in those philosophies to a point but not to the extreme. It’s just that I kept seeing the Bush administration tell one lie after another. I am talking about real lies, not made up things, real provable lies. I kept having to defend Bush in debate after debate on forums, chat-rooms and Facebook until one day it just hit me, “Why I am defending this guy? He’s flat out lying to me.” I made up my mind in the next election I would vote for anyone other than Bush.
So that elections arrives and I was forced to vote Kerry. Didn’t want to but Bush had fucked things up so bad, there was no other viable, logical alternative. When Kerry lost, I was dumbfounded! I had sat back and watched the republican party use the most absurd threats of fear to win that election and enough people fell for the bullshit that an idiot like Bush Jr. won a second term. We are talking about a guy that literally refused on two different times to capture Osama. He had two chances that I am aware of and blew both chances. It became obvious that the was never going to capture Osama because “fighting” terrorism became big money for the Bush / Cheney administration. Being told almost daily that another attack was just a matter of time was keeping them in office.
It was during this time I really saw the religious right begin to take over the party and there are few that are more un-American than the religious right. I remember how I used to tell my leftists friends, “I know we have the crazy religious right in our party but we don’t actually listen to them.” and then somehow the the religious took over and now those loonies run the asylum and it’s terrifying! You would think that a group of people claiming to be Christians would be more about helping the poor and caring about their fellow man. They don’t. Oh, they say they do but actions speak louder than words and all they do is make excuses as to why they don’t help the poor. Their lazy, they are a burden on our system. They scam the system. It goes on and on. The only things they actively fight fore are making money, keeping Mexicans out and protecting the unborn, once you’re born, “FUCK YOU!” is their motto. That is unless you actively promote a Christian God or the 2nd Amendment.
It was when I first heard her speak and I realized that she is stupid, she made Bush Jr. look like Stephen Hawking in comparison.
Now it was coming to the end of Bush Jr.’s second term and it came down to Obama and McCain. I was almost actually considering McCain. What concerned me was that he had voted on average about 95% of the time with Bush. I didn’t want another Bush in the White House. Bush had refused to go after Obama, the economy was beginning to crash and he simply had become a laughing stock to the entire world and many of our allies actually feared the man. I have to admit, I did too. But, it was when McCain named Sarah Palin as his running mate that I knew he had lost his my vote for sure. Well, it wasn’t exactly at that moment. It was when I first heard her speak and I realized that she is stupid, she made Bush Jr. look like Stephen Hawking in comparison. There was no way he was getting my vote now.
I continued to see the republican party deteriorate into a racists, bigoted, religious party of absolute heinous fuckery. I watched as friends of mine were sending me the most offensive racist emails about Obama. I lost two friends over that bullshit. One long time family friend was sending me racists shit on almost a daily basis and if it wasn’t racist it was a complete lie or half-truth. I literally spent months leading up to that first election responding with facts showing him how he was wrong. But, it was too late, he had turned into one of the those Teabag idiots. He absolutely refused to believe anything that didn’t come from either Fox News or one of his crazy conservative blogs that he followed. Seriously, I was fact checking one of his sources and it came from a blog that some crazy religious person was ranting on. At the bottom of this guys blog were links to some books he had written about how man and dinosaur lived together and how the earth is only several thousand years old. You can’t argue with that level crazy, you just can’t!
The religious right and the Tea Party have become like a virus to humanity, spreading hate and ignorance throughout the republican party.
The religious right and the Tea Party have become like a virus to humanity, spreading hate and ignorance throughout the republican party. I have had debates with these people and every single time they leave me realizing that they are all just bat shit crazy. Well, that’s not really fair, they are just fucking stupid on an epic scale. They have had lies thrown at them for so long they have become absolutely paranoid about democrats and Obama. They have been told so many lies, and so many of the same lies repeatedly that the the lies have become the truth and no amount of legitimate evidence is going to convince them otherwise.
Seriously, if you think about all the predictions the republican party made about what would happen if Obama wins you will see how almost none of them have come true. We were told the wars would rage on. Obama would bring on the “End of Days”. He would wreck the economy worse than it already was and he’d kill the stock market. Gas prices would sky rocket. He would go easy on the terrorists because he was secretly a Muslim sympathizer and the list goes on and on and not a real American as well.
Let’s look at where we are now. He ended the war in Iraq. He ended the war in Afghanistan. He has had more terrorists killed than George Bush Jr. He had Osama killed. He has brought back the economy. Gas is has reached record lows. The stock market has set record highs. And, he passed a new healthcare system that isn’t great, but is a working and is vast improvement over what we had. I can attest to that as I have insurance now that I was unable to afford for well over a decade. In fact even those idiot fucking gun nuts are complaining and yet, he’s actually expanded the rights of gun owners. I am not saying it’s been perfect under Obama but let’s be honest, he’s done some things that I haven’t liked. But, any serious account he done more for this countries well being than any other president in recent history.
If you confront the average republican about all of this, they are in complete denial about it. I have been told that Obama made a mistake in how he had Osama killed. That the recovery of the economy is because of the republicans in congress who have done almost nothing and have voted against almost every single thing the president has tried to pass. The have been the most useless congress in as far back as I can remember and still the economy is better. Just about everything is vastly better than it was 7 years ago. But, try to tell that to a republican and they will make up shit about how it’s all smoke and mirrors. How the economy isn’t really doing well, how the debt rising even though by every account he’s spent less than all the dire republican predictions claimed. Every single thing Obama has done these people have attacked on him it and manipulated the truth and continued to spread fear to keep their followers faithful to the republican party.
As I grew more and more discouraged with the republican party I began to see that the party was never what I thought it was to begin with. It’s ideals are a myth. Their reality has become simply disturbing. I recall I was finally old enough to vote. This was for the vote between Bush Sr. and Clinton. I had voted for Bush Sr. I really liked Bill Clinton though and the only reason I didn’t vote for him was because my party, the republican party was telling me lies about about Clinton through innuendos. One huge lie was that he was a secret Communist! They showed photos of him looking like a hippie’ish with friends in Russia. What they didn’t say is that he was very smart and a Rhodes Scholar. They had me terrified to vote for him even though I agreed with everything Clinton was saying while he was running for president. Or at least most of it. I found the man to be inspiring. But, no way was this self-respecting republican going to vote for that hippie communist.
Of course, it’s been more than 20 years since then and what Clinton turned out to be was one of best presidents and humanitarians. But, what did the republican party try to do with him? They fought him at every turn, and even tried to impeach the man because he lied about getting a hummer from intern. That was their big thing and they failed miserably at it as usual. Looking back I realized the republican party didn’t fight fare. They constantly tell the most insane lies over and over until people believe them. It’s been their strategy since at least the days of Reagan.
I have not become a democrat, though I gave up on the republican party and now am a registered Independent. I don’t agree with everything the democratic party stands for and they too have some bat shit crazy folks on their side but at least no one is really acting upon what they are saying. We just kind of nod our heads to placate them, then we go about the business of trying to get things done. It hasn’t been easy when it seems that every single republican has become a compete coward due to their unwillingness to stand up to the religious right.
What these republican cowards keep forgetting is that they don’t need the religious right to win an election. They just need to stand up to them and be honest. They will sway almost all of the independents and a good chunk of the democrats as well. Because, one of the things I like about the democratic party is that they tend to vote for the best man, regardless of his party. Whereas the republicans have always treated voting against the party as a betrayal.
So in a sad nutshell, I gave up on the republican party more than a decade ago because I got tired of justifying their constant lying, their fear mongering, and the complete take over of the party by the ultra conservative religious right. They have become so insanely ignorant and anti-science. They praise ignorance now. They are backing anyone no matter who they are or what they have done as long as they support the 2nd Amendment to the extreme or they are religious fanatic. I simply had no choice but to leave a party that supports this kind of outright fuckery.
…but doesn’t deny doing everything he could to avoid “Getting his Michigan ass shot off in Vietnam.”
Just in case anyone thinks I’m exaggerating the claims about the republican party, here’s a couple examples. First up, Josh Duggar just admitted to raping underage teens and having incestuous relations with his sisters. Republicans are standing behind him and supporting him for his bravery in coming out about it. Why do they accept him? Simple, Josh Duggar and his crazy bigoted family are ring wing Christian conservatives. Want another example? I have many but let’s look at Ted Nugent. He admitted to shitting his pants and doing drugs to make sure he was able to avoid being drafted into the military. He has since denied that he shit his pants but doesn’t deny doing everything he could to avoid “Getting his Michigan ass shot off in Vietnam.” so either Ted was either lying back then or lying now. Either way he is no American hero and not someone the republicans should be proud to have as supporter of their politics.
The man threatened to kill the president for god’s sake! What did the republicans do? They invited him to one of Obama’s the State of Union speeches. Why did they do they do this? He is right wing gun night. That’s it. Doesn’t matter that he’s a coward and rapist. Oh, yes, he’s a rapist too. Let’s not forget he openly admits to having plenty of sex with underage teens. But, the republicans give him a pass on that as well.
How anyone can admit to supporting this party any more is simply disturbing on so many levels. Seriously, these supporters have got to be, in general, evil, crazy or in complete denial about what their party has become. Whatever, the reason, I am proud to no longer be any part of that sick, demented party.